Bruce Moulton (8) "We will keep ahead of the bad guys. For sure, they have been and continue to be an annoyance, but significant operational impacts are few and far between. Industry groups, vendors, government and professional / specialist groups (like SANS, CERT) have collaborated effectively to keep the intruders at bay. The good guys will continue to win." We're doomed: there are more of them than there are of us, they have free time bordering on the infinite, and some of them are quite likely smarter than we are. We're not winning, except perhaps in the court of public opinion. http://www.securityfocus.com/news/122 Four thousand heart patients' records compromised, University of Washington Medical Center Network compromised from June until either Mid-July (the University reports) or early September (the Hacker reports) What would losing look like?